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<blockquote data-quote="ossagp" data-source="post: 171403" data-attributes="member: 1650">Not the way the grabbers want it,&nbsp; no.&nbsp; I never have felt good about anyone that wants to make important decisions while there is still so much emotion involved.&nbsp; Almost anyone knows that is not the best time to make such decisions.Sadly there are people from both sides of the argument who can't stop talking long enough to actually explore what kinds of things can be done to keep the unstable sorts from getting guns.&nbsp; With better training or having more specialized people intervene in cases like this one where the police were alerted by parents that this young man was probably dangerous.&nbsp; This has to be done very carefully,&nbsp; as all of us could be on the end of an over zealous junior shrink's decision about our life.&nbsp; Right now if you have anything they can classify as &quot;domestic violence&quot; on your record, you can be prohibited from buying a firearm.I know Richard Martinez said he wants gun control not sympathy.&nbsp; I look in that father's face and see the anguish I would feel.&nbsp; You can only wonder how loudly he was screaming about forfeiting any of the rights the second amendment gives us all before his son's senseless death.&nbsp; It would be interesting to follow his career back and see how many aquittals he enabled for defendents who later comitted more violent acts.&nbsp; Maybe he wants to change some of what the constitution,&nbsp; amendments to the constitution, and laws expanding the constitution say about such things as trial rights,&nbsp; rights to defense, and of course &quot;Miranda&quot;? I am betting that you could take our three most populated states, put the names of the people&nbsp; killed by murderers previously freed on a list,&nbsp; and the deaths caused by those freed killers would far out number those killed by guns in mass murders such as the most recent one in Isla Vista.&nbsp;&nbsp; Yet I don't want to take any of those rights away.&nbsp; Most of us would rather see some guilty go free,&nbsp; than more innocent people be punished,&nbsp; and that is right.Yet look what gets used as a battle cry.&nbsp; (All this without a mention of the three who died from the knife wounds inflicted or the injuries from being hit with BMW.)</blockquote>

[QUOTE="ossagp, post: 171403, member: 1650"] Not the way the grabbers want it, no. I never have felt good about anyone that wants to make important decisions while there is still so much emotion involved. Almost anyone knows that is not the best time to make such decisions. Sadly there are people from both sides of the argument who can't stop talking long enough to actually explore what kinds of things can be done to keep the unstable sorts from getting guns. With better training or having more specialized people intervene in cases like this one where the police were alerted by parents that this young man was probably dangerous. This has to be done very carefully, as all of us could be on the end of an over zealous junior shrink's decision about our life. Right now if you have anything they can classify as "domestic violence" on your record, you can be prohibited from buying a firearm. I know Richard Martinez said he wants gun control not sympathy. I look in that father's face and see the anguish I would feel. You can only wonder how loudly he was screaming about forfeiting any of the rights the second amendment gives us all before his son's senseless death. It would be interesting to follow his career back and see how many aquittals he enabled for defendents who later comitted more violent acts. Maybe he wants to change some of what the constitution, amendments to the constitution, and laws expanding the constitution say about such things as trial rights, rights to defense, and of course "Miranda"? I am betting that you could take our three most populated states, put the names of the people killed by murderers previously freed on a list, and the deaths caused by those freed killers would far out number those killed by guns in mass murders such as the most recent one in Isla Vista. Yet I don't want to take any of those rights away. Most of us would rather see some guilty go free, than more innocent people be punished, and that is right. Yet look what gets used as a battle cry. (All this without a mention of the three who died from the knife wounds inflicted or the injuries from being hit with BMW.) [/QUOTE]

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