i was in no way bashing on mx riders either btw. just stating the guys that rode mx that we took to a hs haven't came back for a 2nd go at it... plus another thing, the series i raced last season the courses were all laid out half on a mx track and half woods. the woods sections weren't all that tight in that series either but that's primarily where i picked up my pace and passed guys. on the mx part i was a little hesitant my first race but after i started to get used to jumping and getting more aggressive in the corners i was able to fend off the guy behind me unless he was a fast b rider or obviously an a rider or just flat out sandbagging in my class. i don't know... i just got home from a long day at work and just wanted to put my additional .02 in again... that leaves me about .04 into this whole topic and a $1 short go figure...